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    Default Old Glory mine, near Ruby, AZ

    I made a second attempt at finding the Old Glory today. I got instructions from:
    http://www.azghosttowns.com/towns/oldglory.html

    I spent most of the day trying all the trails in the general direction my GPS coordinates said to go.

    I tried to follow the web site directions religiously. Could never find FSR 4191, and I went DEEP this time.

    I backed up web info with topo maps purchased locally, factored approximate mileage, but no trails where they should be.

    Has anyone here been to the mine? Care to share some tips? I'll share 60/40 if I find buried loot!

    The folowing picture was taken at 430pm. Tired, beat up and miles from no where. This is for Laura (I know you are reading this)

    See, I wear a hat sometimes!
    Caption: How am I supposed to find a Slimfast out here?
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    Hey I can take off my sunglasses now Brian, no more glare! Is that your mean look? (I know better now but I won't spoil your reputation )
    Glad to see the Sami out exploring again.
    We tried to find Camp Reno using the directions on the GT site, it's not where they said it was either. We found it using the forest service map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraA View Post
    Hey I can take off my sunglasses now Brian, no more glare! Is that your mean look? (I know better now but I won't spoil your reputation )
    Glad to see the Sami out exploring again.
    We tried to find Camp Reno using the directions on the GT site, it's not where they said it was either. We found it using the forest service map.
    Thats my tired and hungry look. At this point in the trip its
    3 hours home, at least 2 hours on rocks. Dang I hate rocks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraA View Post
    We tried to find Camp Reno using the directions on the GT site, it's not where they said it was either. We found it using the forest service map.
    I had same problem finding that place. I eventualy found the spot, but there was nothing there to see.

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    Welcome to the GT forum Widleewidleewaa!

    The actual site of Camp Reno isn't in the spot where the Forest Service has it marked with a sign. (FR 409) It's on a mesa overlooking that spot on the road that goes over Reno Pass (FR 524).
    The spot the FS has erroneously marked was actually a small settlement where there was a small group of houses, a general store and a spring. The remains of Camp Reno are a bit hard to locate, all that's left are stone foundations.
    To the south, about 1/2 mile from the real Camp Reno site is a small cemetery near the foothills which was connected with the camp, it's a nice cold weather hike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraA View Post
    Hey I can take off my sunglasses now Brian, no more glare! Is that your mean look? (I know better now but I won't spoil your reputation )
    Glad to see the Sami out exploring again.
    We tried to find Camp Reno using the directions on the GT site, it's not where they said it was either. We found it using the forest service map.
    I bought a forest service map today, scanned it, and penciled in my route. It looks really simple. Since the forest service roads are marked on the map,it will be a lot easier next time, I hope.

    Funny thing is, the directions say Old Glory is on fsr 4191, but its no where near the mine. The map expert at the store verified that. Looks like I'll be trying fsr 4162 next trip.

    I tried to send a bigger copy, but this is as good as I can do.
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    The actual site of Camp Reno isn't in the spot where the Forest Service has it marked with a sign. (FR 409) It's on a mesa overlooking that spot on the road that goes over Reno Pass (FR 524).
    The spot the FS has erroneously marked was actually a small settlement where there was a small group of houses, a general store and a spring. The remains of Camp Reno are a bit hard to locate, all that's left are stone foundations.
    To the south, about 1/2 mile from the real Camp Reno site is a small cemetery near the foothills which was connected with the camp, it's a nice cold weather hike.
    I am no archaeologist, but I thought the Camp Reno site marked with the sign was fishy. There is a whole lot of concrete there and if I remember some threaded piping too. That didn't jive with the years given (1850s or 1860s??) for when the supposed camp was in operation. Most cities didn't use that much concrete back then and they certainly wouldn't haul it all the way to the middle of the desert!
    Great, now one of the ghost towns I thought I visited really wasn't what I thought it was!!!

    Jay

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    Yep Jay, we thought it was fishy too that's why we looked further. The site that's wrongly marked Camp Reno was in operation as a settlement and general store all the way up until 1915 that's why the threaded pipe and concrete.
    Camp Reno was only in existence from 1868 to 1870 because the high cost of hauling supplies over Reno Pass made it economically unfeasible to keep it open. The good thing to come out of it was the road (Reno Pass) from Fort McDowell to the Tonto Basin which was built to have direct access from the main fort to Camp Reno. The road hasn't changed much since then (wow they didn't even have lockers and skids back then)
    The directions on the Ghost Town site are incorrect and should be changed. People looking for it by following those directions wouldn't find even the wrong location.

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    I went up to Payson last month and the gate for Reno Pass trail from the Beeline side was still locked . Fire restrictions were off by then, what gives? I ran that trail once about 3 years ago. It was fun. I am really glad the drop off was on my wifes side of the truck. There is one spot on the Tonto Basin of the pass that is about two inches wider than the tire width of my truck. One side is a vertical rock face striaght up and the other is a 300 ft, 89 degree vertigo city drop . I'll have to check out the "real" Fort Reno next time I get around there, if there is anything to see.

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    The fire restrictions are lifted, but there's not much left of the road, complete washouts from what we've been told. The wash on the Tonto side is about 8 feet deep at the crossing. The gate at Bushnell Tanks is still locked, but the Tonto side is open...what happens if someone goes from the Tonto side to the Bushnell Tanks side and then can't get out? It's a case of two different forest service districts not coordinating what each other is doing.
    If you're into metal detecting, Camp Reno is a good site, not much else left but rock foundations, but since it's not the officially designated historical site, metal detecting is ok. (we asked and were told to go for it by the rangers)
    SRP is running some new underground lines up FR 524 (Reno Pass) and using a bulldozer along the way, so I think they'll probably repair the wash pretty soon.
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