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    I hear you can have .50 cal weapons in Az and several other states. In Calif, we can't. I often think that I'd like Az gun laws here,but I wonder, what the crime rates for each state are,as far as Gun related deaths go. Anyone want to chime in? I'd love to shoot a .50 just once!

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    Here's a pretty good blog on the topic of 50-caliber weapons.


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    Bans on .50 weapons just shows how ignorant the ignoramus's making laws and backing them are. I can kill a person with a .17 just as easy as I can a .50. And do it cheaper too. .50 just makes a bigger mess is all, well that and maybe you can hit them from farther away. But you don't hear of too many gang bangers sniping each other with an M82-A1 that much either

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    Question .50

    Well now, this brings up an interesting question...... do you really need such a weapon out there? I am not anti gun, nor am I a gun nut...I like to think that I am logical when it comes to this (I hate extremist's on both sides of just about any issue).

    A .50 is only good for putting a round thru an engine block....yet there would be something fun about having one, I admit.. Let's really get this discussion going and go on to the the 2nd amendment (where's O.J when we need him!). Everybody that cites the 2nd seems to forget the first part..." a well regulated militia being NECESSARY to the security of a free state.." now, do we NEED a militia?
    If not, then the 4th is out the door.
    So let me ask you this..... perhaps the 2nd can only be applied when talking about muskets....since that's all that was around back then.
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    You mean the 2nd Amendment?

    Anyways....

    I'm not a "gun nut" by any means, even though I own, *cough* a few. But I can understand the reasoning behind fighting any gun ban in general. The biggest one being that ignorant lawmakers and the uninformed, scared public see criminals using guns to commit crimes. So lets ban all legal gun sales to law abiding citizens. From BB's to .50+. But how many of the criminals are using guns that are stolen, bought on the corner, etc compared to those that are legally bought and licensed? I'd say the belief in an oxymoron "law abiding criminal" is about as childish as believing in Santa Claus.

    Myself, I can live without the general public having fully auto, large caliber weaponry. But the question remains, if you give a little, will they take it all? While I don't believe we need guns to over throw a rogue government, (they have nukes and mustard gas after all ) I feel I at least have the right to bare arms to defend myself against all those law abiding criminals out there looking to relieve me of my worldly possessions and possibly my life. Should I choose to do that with a .22LR pistol or a Spaz 12, that's my given right.

    The link Laura posted was interesting. They want to ban a $7000+ rifle because of terrorists (ie, the new crutch reasoning) yet there has never been an assault of any kind made with that rifle as pointed out in the messages. That rifle has been around longer than the supposed terrorist threat, and in a line of terrorist arsenal, I believe would be toward the end, just before sticks and stones.
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    Default oops

    I'm foggy this am....forgive me....yup , the 2nd..... 4th is search and grab...... my apologies......
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    Red face gun ban

    I dont think banning guns will solve anything, most illegal use is with a stolen weapon. One does have to question the high rate of firepower aka ak47 available to the Public. Lots fun, not much pratical use. Home Defense is best left to a shotgun.

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    The average AK is nothing more than a glorified deer rifle. It's a 7.62mm round, the same as a .308. Most all the ones you see around the US are semi-auto. I have friends that have semi-auto .308's they bought at Wal-Mart. One looks like a weapon of war, the other one your grandpa would use to hunt deer with. I'd be more afraid of my friends aiming at me than some gang banger running around with an AK on full auto. Anyone who has fired anything full auto can tell you the difficulty involved in hittng the broadside of a barn.

    Folks get a negative vision of a gun from watching a bunch of rebels on CNN shooting up a storm with their AK. Then they hear their neighbor has one, they remember that image and freak out and want to ban it. Same thing with the .223 caliber rifle the DC Sniper used. Folks want to ban that gun, and I know of 3 .223 semi-auto guns my friends have that are the same principle, in a different package, yet no one wants to ban those guns because they are not "scary".

    And like you said, a shotgun is great home defense. But people say the Mossberg pump at Wal-Mart is enough. Me, I like a Bonelli or a Spaz 12 or any other kick in the drawers semi-auto. So where do we draw the line?
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    Cool .50

    Perhaps no line need be drawn. Lets just make the punishment fit the crime and start with voting out lib judges. Anybody that shoots another, except in self defense or by accident.... automatic life in prison. We fill up the dang jails with pot smokers, yet let bonehead gang banger walk out after 7 yrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xplor'npaul View Post
    I hear you can have .50 cal weapons in Az and several other states. In Calif, we can't. I often think that I'd like Az gun laws here,but I wonder, what the crime rates for each state are,as far as Gun related deaths go. Anyone want to chime in? I'd love to shoot a .50 just once!
    I've had many fun sessions out in the desert shooting my .50 Desert Eagle. Now that baby packs a wallop!

    I can't remember any crimes that have been commited (in the history of the world) using a .50 cal. firearm. Have you?

    Oh, you better not have one, though, JUST IN CASE you feel like doing something bad with it.

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