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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostdancer View Post
    Did you know that the area where the community center sits was once the red light district known as *** Alley?

    I grew up in Tucson, but never saw the area before it was raised for the CC.


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    Actually the red light district was a little alley between Congress st & Pennington st. It was named "Calle de la India Triste", changed by Americans to Maiden Lane. This bit of history was lost to us when streets downtown were widened & realligned in the early 20th century.
    The areas designated as dwellings are the cribs.

    The TCC stands on what used to be the "Barrio Libertad". The population here was all Mexican & some Chinese & the Tucson police agreed not to interfere there, hence it was an area "liberated" from American influence. It was largely condemed under eminent domain in the early 1960's for urban renewall. The few remaining adobe homes from the period are much prized & very pricey real estate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulture View Post
    Actually the red light district was a little alley between Congress st & Pennington st.
    Originally it was, but later moved down to that area where the community center is located, which was Sabino Street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostdancer View Post
    Originally it was, but later moved down to that area where the community center is located, which was Sabino Street.
    Where did you live in Tucson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostdancer View Post
    Originally it was, but later moved down to that area where the community center is located, which was Sabino Street.
    That makes sense, it moved down into the liberated zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulture View Post
    Actually the red light district was a little alley between Congress st & Pennington st. It was named "Calle de la India Triste", changed by Americans to Maiden Lane. This bit of history was lost to us when streets downtown were widened & realligned in the early 20th century.
    The areas designated as dwellings are the cribs.

    The TCC stands on what used to be the "Barrio Libertad". The population here was all Mexican & some Chinese & the Tucson police agreed not to interfere there, hence it was an area "liberated" from American influence. It was largely condemed under eminent domain in the early 1960's for urban renewall. The few remaining adobe homes from the period are much prized & very pricey real estate.
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    The location I refer to; Sabino Street, I understand ran north and south thru where the CC is now located. This same area I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulture View Post
    Where did you live in Tucson?

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    Grew up on the east side, was living in mid town in the area where the Doubletree is located until I moved up here to the Show Low area three and a half years ago.
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    "Did you know that the area where the community center sits was once the red light district known as *** Alley?"

    Prior to the Community Center there was the Tucson Sports Arena or Sports Center, not sure, but the friday night, channel 11, fake wrestling was videoed there. They also had some early Rock N Roll shows there. I saw Jethro Tull, the Youngbloods and even Richie Havens there.

    What three letters would need to be masked?

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    They Arizona Daily Star has done a smattering of history regarding the area.

    http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/blogs/...s-of-the-night

    Ladies of the night were trailed by Tucson's civic leaders

    02/25/2009 06:00 PM
    Elaine Raines
    It was a January night in 1917 and the Civic League was prowling the streets of Tucson looking for ladies of the night. But, they were not looking to patronize them, they were looking to evict them. Tucson’s redlight district was closing down.

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    Sabino Street, also known as *** Alley.
    From 1891 to 1917, prostitution in Tucson was allowed, but restricted to two blocks of Sabino Street, more commonly known as *** Alley. In early January 1917, that all came to an end. Here is the account of the event as it ran in the Star:
    Civic League Sleuths Trail Scarlet-Women to Block Relocation
    Councilmen Besieged By Pros and Cons on Redlight District Issue
    By dusk yesterday evening, the last “person of ill fame” had moved from *** Alley and the historic restricted district of Tucson was closed permanently by the decision of Judge Pattee of the Pima county superior court.
    Officials of the Tucson Civic league did a little “sleuthing” yesterday to ascertain where inmates of the district who did not leave town had moved. It is announced by officers of the league that they will be watched closely in order to prove to the satisfaction of officers of the league that their purposes in renting rooms are innocent.

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    Downtown Tucson in the 1950s
    Members of the league in an auto followed several transfers of baggage from *** Alley in order to find out where inmates had moved. In several cases it is said that the drivers of the trucks adopted roundabout routes and some interesting “chases” resulted.
    Meantime, discussion pro and con about the locating of a new district continues. Members of the city administration are being besieged by advocates and opponents of a restricted district.
    Not so many women of the district left the city as had been estimated at first. Probably not more than 20 of the 35 women in the district have departed. Real estate dealers were solicited for rooms, yesterday, but in a number of cases applications were turned down.
    Arizona Daily Star, January 12, 1917
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    Names of 27 Streets Changed by City Dads”

    07/07/2008 08:00 PM
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    That was the headline on the front page of the Star on April 23, 1926. The ‘why’ behind this action by the dads, aka the city council, was not explained. But for residents of what was probably the far-east side of Tucson, they went to bed on one street and woke up on another.
    Here is a list of the changes with the old and new names.
    Verde Street became Elm Street.
    Bonita Street became Lee Street.
    Palomas Street became Adams Street.
    Rincon Road became East Second Street.
    First Street, running southeasterly from Park Avenue, parallel with the Southern Pacific right of way, became Factory Avenue.
    “A” Avenue changed to Euclid Avenue.
    “B” Avenue became Tyndall Avenue.
    “C” Avenue became Park Avenue.
    Catalina and “D” avenues became Fremont Avenue.
    East Avenue and “E” Avenue became Santa Rita Avenue.
    “F” Avenue changed to Highland Avenue.
    “G” Avenue was Curtis Avenue.
    “H” Avenue became Vine Avenue
    Center Street changed to Mountain Avenue.
    Douglas Avenue and Walnut Street became Cherry Avenue.
    “J” Avenue became Warren Avenue.
    “L” Avenue changed to Campbell Avenue.
    “K” Avenue, Maple Street and Sycamore Street became Martin Avenue.
    Cherry Street became Cherry Avenue.
    Vermont Avenue changed to Norris Avenue.
    Jackson Avenue became Norton Avenue.
    And Witt Street became East Twenty-fourth Street.
    The action, taken by the council at their meeting the night before, was effective immediately.




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    The area was the beat of a policeman named Jesus Camacho, pretty much forgotten now, but a colorful character at the time. I guess he pretty much kept order there.
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