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    Here are a couple of public domain photos of Ryan Camp adjacent to Death Valley taken from a recent visit to public land in the area. Rio Tinto has kept this site under wraps since 1958 when US Borax closed the site to public access subsequent to a lawsuit. The Death Valley View Hotel there dates from 1927 and is still fully intact, and appears in the middle of the picture, 2nd row. St. Michael's church (upper left) was moved from the ghost town of Rhyolite to Ryan by about 1920. The rail workshops and Pacific Coast Borax buildings are hidden from Dante's View Rd by two hillocks (pic 3 gives an idea) Ryan Camp is the only historic mining camp still intact in the desert Southwest and is not listed on the National Register of Historic Places with no thanks to its owners. Apparently Rio Tinto no longer wants to possess this albatross of a property, and apparently Rio Tinto does not want to divulge anything publicly about its future either, despite numerous appeals to do so. The White Monster claim nearby in Death Valley National Park has been valued by the NPS at something between $6 - 12 billion, and it's believed that whatever RIO is up to in the Ryan quadrangle (with their pending land deals) is related to that. These photos are used with permission and are in the public domain, they may be shared and distributed as anyone sees fit with no restrictions. The Ryan property issue has become increasingly controversial in recent months, partly due to the gag order all around about the future of the property, and the evident gag order on DPA2 itself (in which Ryan's future was addressed) from Feinstein's office. However, there are new developments pending which may shed light on Rio Tinto's intentions for the property.
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    Wow that's neat. Look at the church.

    What's the White Monster claim anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsarevna View Post
    Wow that's neat. Look at the church.

    What's the White Monster claim anyway?
    It's a borate or colemanite claim in the park. Some people believe Rio Tinto wants to develop the claim or trade it for another property. Another opinion is that Rio wants a multi-million dollar tax break out of the property by including this claim in a land deal with Ryan, giving the property to an alleged charity run by none other than a Rio Tinto Director. That would serve two purposes: Rio Tinto gets a tax break while pawning off the property on one of their own people in the form of a "charity". Meanwhile here are some better pictures. These pics are in the public domain, they are not copyrighted and may be used by anyone without charge for any reason. Name:  ryan6.jpg
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    Nice, would love to get a chance to see that place in person!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob3 was bob2 View Post
    Nice, would love to get a chance to see that place in person!
    I can't say anything nice about the Corporate owners, so I won't say it. Suffice to say that Rio Tinto wants to keep this historic site secret and hidden from the public, with no public access, for now or at any time in future.
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    The more photos you post, the more I want to make the trip over there and see if I can sneak an in person look at the place! Looks amazing! Are they hoping to demolish it so they can work the area?
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    Super cool......Speedy

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob3 was bob2 View Post
    The more photos you post, the more I want to make the trip over there and see if I can sneak an in person look at the place! Looks amazing! Are they hoping to demolish it so they can work the area?
    Bob the property was closed to the public in approx 1956 or so subsequent to a tort lawsuit.

    http://law.justia.com/cases/california/cal2d/46/76.html

    You can hike along the old railroad grade to see these views, it's public. The grade is on public land and the Rio Tinto Corporation does not have enough clout (yet) to stop hikers on public land, although I am sure RIO would love to have that capability! There are detailed maps that will show you where the public land begins and ends. Even though they've owned Ryan's four private parcels (about 160 acres) from 1967 Rio Tinto never had anything to do with the working history of Ryan. As for Rio Tinto itself, who knows what their CEO's "charity" is up to there? Rio works quietly and in secret and evidently considers itself beyond the realms of public disclosure, especially where an historic property like Ryan is concerned.... such is the world in which we live. Suffice to say that a number of investigations continue apace, and at least one major public land use group is now involved in looking at them.

    You can read more about Ryan here on this blog:

    http://desertfog.org/projects/ryan-c...ath-valley-ca/

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    Ryan Photos by GSEC an interesting stream here.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsec/56...7626394514045/
    It's likely more pics will appear here soon, taken from public land on the north grade.

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